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Hit Counter   This page is devoted to all the Kylix class boats that we have knowledge of, starting with 'Kylix' herself.

We hope to include photos of them as they come forward!

September 2016 we are very pleased to announce that Peter Clemmenson has kindly donated a copy of his drawings for his Kylix 'Pandora'. We are able to send copies out on DVD for £5.00, including post for the UK and £6.50 overseas.

 

   

     
 

Designed by Maurice Griffiths, as his 'retirement' boat.  He is seen here at the helm. 

Kylix was built in 1971 by F Smeeth of  Dedham, Essex, for Maurice himself and was the last yacht he owned.

   

 

Kylix Specifications

LOD 27 ft

LWL 24ft
Iron keel and trim

Thames measurement 7 tons (7,112kg)
Sail area, working 306sq ft (29m2)

(with Yankee) 383sq ft (35m2)
Builder G F Smeeth

Dedham, Essex

Designer/owner Maurice Griffiths, GM

Write up in Y.M.

The Mk II  is 29' and 10' 4" at the beam. Overall she is 32'.  In a letter, Maurice comments very positively on the new design making the statement that "she looks a fine little ship"

The builders who  built  the Kylix MkII  told me that his company built the Kylix Mk I and after displaying it at the Ipswich boat show decided that there had been sufficient interest in the boat but most had commented that a larger version would be better. Apparently a conversation then took place between Maurice and Bure Marine, this is corroborated by the letter we have, and the Kylix 29 was approved by Maurice. Bure Marine then built four Kylix MkII's of which 'Risga' is one.

Information from the present owner of 'Risga', David Prior 2009.

 

 

Kylix - now owned by Richard Colley, his description of her follows.
     
 

 

As the twenty-first boat I have owned in fifty-odd years, Kylix was designed to suit an elderly single hander. Because at low water her moorings below Woodbridge lie in only 5 feet of water with less all round her, and Woodbridge Haven bar at lie entrance carries but 4 feet at LWOS, she had to be of shallow draught, and her centreplate has proved highly useful during the two seasons I have sailed her so far.

Her design is an enlargement of the 25ft Cockler class, of which some 30 boats had been built in various parts of the world in something over 20 years. With a fine run aft to a bawley-type transom well above the waterline, they have often shown a clean pair of heels to other cruising boats, while some have shown themselves capable of making lengthy offshore cruises, including transatlantic, across the Indian Ocean east to west, and a voyage around the Pacific islands.

Like her many predecessors, Kylix  (Greek for a broad shallow drinking vessel) has an outside ballast keel which ensures that she is self-righting if ever bowled over by a sea or a bad squall. With the ½ inch mild steel L-shaped centreplate fully down and drawing 6ft 3in, Kylix is as close-winded as one could wish, but she also handles with assurance even with the plate hauled right up and drawing only three feet.

In a twisty river like the Deben with its narrow channels, the centreplate could hardly be bettered as an instant warning device on the one fathom line—'time to go about, skipper'. Even when we have come to a stop on the ebb while coming round in stays, backing the jib and then—not till then—hauling the plate up smartly has got the ship sailing off on several occasions.

A handy ten-foot boathook, marked with black and white bands at foot intervals, is carried as a sounding pole for ditch crawling, while for greater depths the trusty lead line is kept in readiness in the cockpit. For my kind of modest cruising I have had no yearning for status symbols like echo sounders, wind vane steering gears, or glittering electronic devices, but find the ancient basic aids to the man who has learnt to hand, reef and steer sufficient for the enjoyment of home waters cruising.

With her large rudder, which is partly balanced, Kylix can be spun round in stays, turning on her plate, if called upon in a tight corner. But if left alone she is of a traditional type that will stay on course while you go forward, or get something from the cabin; while with her tiller pegged (it has a rack for belaying pins) or slip- knotted she will sail herself, or lie-to, for hours on end unattended.

I still have vivid recollections of a sail I had on a breezy day in a brand new GRP sloop. She was a smart craft in entirely contemporary fashion with a fat round body like a plastic bath, attached to a very short fin keel with a spade rudder working on its own under her stern. She went like a bomb under a strip of a mainsail and a genoa jib, but whether she had the wind on the beam, or right aft, or was close-hauled, you couldn't let go of the tiller for more than a second.

She was so flighty she had to be steered with care over every yard of the way, and it made me think how a boat of this type must exhaust her crew on any long passage, especially in blowy weather. Yet I have seen yachts of this fashionable production. type publicised as the answer to the family man's prayer. But if instead of comfortable cruising your ambition is to win places, whether in handicap or offshore racing, then you won't have a chance these days with any traditional type.

Apart from making appreciably more leeway (about 8 degrees close-hauled in a Force 3 breeze with the plate up) and being somewhat more leisurely in stays, there is no noticeable difference in the feel of the tiller whether the plate is up or down. Innocent crews have happily turned to windward without realising that the plate was up all the time.

Having sweated on other people's fore- decks to manhandle a heavy anchor through the pulpit and then lash it down to deck chocks, I have an inborn dislike of lifting the full weight of a yacht's bower anchor at all. In days gone by, before Sir Geoffrey Taylor invented the plough-type CQR anchor in the 1930s, we used to winch our fisherman anchor up to the stem head, and then with a line to the crown pull the upper fluke to the rail and lash it there.

The anchor was thus firmly stowed 'Britlingesea fashion', like the smacks, yet always ready to let go at once.

The short wide bowsprit on Kylix carries the double roller chain lead fitting a foot forward of the stem, so that no ugly bow fender is needed, and the starboard roller is boxed over. For stowing, the shank of the CQR anchor is hauled firmly into this box, where no sea can shift the anchor, yet it can be let go at a moment's notice. This same arrangement was adopted by the Hiscocks for the CQR bower anchor on their 48ft steel ketch Wanderer IV.

On Kylix the heel of the bowsprit fits between two stout oak bitts which stand 1ft 3in above the deck with an oak cross- tree in trad fashion; and when making fast other boats' warps, what a Joy they have been compared with the inadequate little Samson post or worse, the small mooring cleat, found on so many production boats' foredecks today.

For day sailing, when I am virtually single-handed, the Wykeham Martin furling gear jib and the forestaysail working on a boom have proved a sound and easily.....

 

 

 

Click the pics on the left to read more of the  article written by Maurice about the boat he designed and had built for his retirement!  They are rather large JPG files, but are worth the wait!

 

 


 


 

 

 

'Swatchway'  Jeff Hague has sent in these pics of her in Amble Marina, where she is up for sale for £34.500!  As Jeff says, immaculate, but head room is just 5' 6" so not for him!  Built in 1978, but with a new Beta Marine inboard with only 20 hours running on it!

'Swatchway' A Kylix 27, this pic found on the web by John Stevens.
 She is a Kylix class of course, and a beautiful example of the design.  Pics taken Feb 06.  Sold from  Amble Marina. 
Swatchway 2015, Robert the present owner  is selling. 
The interior is straight out of a chapter of the Swatchways!
Picturesque and practical
Just look at those leather bench seats!
A head turner where ever she goes!
see the For Sale page August 2015.

 


 

Ian Clarke has sent this in, 'Peterwit' is a local boat to me, over at West Mersea.   An M.G.   design ?  Certainly a nice looking vessel.

Information from Adrian, She is a Kylix Class boat, and has just sold to  new owners 2006.

July 2011, Andrew the new owner has joined us and  sent this picture in.  She has changed colour and berth, she now sails from Bucklers Hard on the River Beaulieu.

   
Andrew has been in touch, April 2017 and would like to advertise her on our pages, advert to follow.

 

 

A Kylix 29.  A slightly stretched version of the original?

 


 

A splendid picture of yet another Kylix class boat, this one is 'Johanna'

Owners and sailed by Han Julius of Holland.  Looks a fine ship!



'Chinook'  a rather special Kylix.  She is owned by Bo in Denmark, built as in GRP foam sandwich construction. As can be seen from the pics, she is a well fitted out and smart craft.
   

When I bought her she was no beauty, but she look solid and I could see the potential, this spring the work will start, making more windows and repaint her, it will be a great boat !

Hopefully there will be some of you "Eventiders" who can tell me more about my boat !

Thanks for a great website !

Best regards Bo

 

   

         
   

         


'INA'  a beautiful GRP Kylix, moored in Halstow Creek off the Medway, her owner Paul has just joined us July 2009.  hope to cross wakes before to long Paul.  The  EOG are hoping to have a meet down your way next spring!

   

SOLD- Kylix  'Ina'

 

                   

                   

1985 Maurice Griffiths Kylix - Ina

 

A beautiful 27ft classic yacht with all the charm of a classic wooden boat without the maintenance. Her GRP construction is complimented by teak brightwork, long keeled, she draws 3ft with the centreboard up, 6ft with it down, for improved upwind performance. Cutter rigged with self-tacking staysail and roller reefing genoa.

 

4 berth with twin single berths in a forward cabin and double in main saloon which provides a sit around table. Chemical toilet in separate heads, to reduce underwater openings to engine cooling intake only. Warm air heating, all lighting changed to LED for reduced power consumption. 

 

 

 

 


 

 

'Mirimbe' Kylix 29. Built 1980 and owned by Neil Stedman till 1994 Renamed 'Jemima' after  Neil sold her. Neil says MG came aboard and when I asked about head room he said MG had loads of room!  I recall MG as about 5' 9" but that was in later life, Neil thinks he was more like 6ft then!  Was berthed in Walton, where is she now?

Hi John, I was reading with interest the Kylix pages and saw the request for information as to what happened to Jemima (29ft extended Kylix) well I’m glad to say she is owned my myself and my partner Carol and based for the time being in South Wales, previously we were in Lowestoft. I will take some  photos in the summer. The varnish on the topsides has been removed and painted white.. but apart from that nothing has changed. We live on the boat and I have to say as a live-aboard she is superb, warm, dry and very spacious.
Kind Regards

Paul Darlison


 

 

'Risga'  A 29 ft version, David Prior has just acquired her from Kent and is moving her to Wolverstone.  Looks a lot like 'Mirimbe' above....? Could it be....  David said he had a letter from MG to the first owner, wonder if it was Neil... Update, no it was Professor Oliver, so a different boat. David has also supplied us with a little more information about the design, which I shall add. Thanks Dave, hope to cross wakes and get a pic of her under sail...

 

 
 

'Jemima' a Kylix 29. We like the bilge keel extensions!
   
 

Currently moored in Bideford, Devon whilst we refit. So lots of sandpapering (oh Joy!) repairing and painting, we are also having legs made so we can explore the west coast a lot more before we move again. Hopefully we should be finished in about 5/6 weeks. I have attached a photo from last year and once we have finished we will take another, she should look very different. 

We live on the boat and I have to say as a live-aboard she is superb, warm, dry and very spacious.

regards

Paul

 

 

 
 

'Jemima' March 2018.

Hi John,

love your site and it would be rude of me if I don't keep in touch and don't keep you posted on one of the MG's design I presently own.

So once again.... Jemima ends up in Bideford, you know this part. The last owner (Paul) bought her in 2006, lived aboard for 3 years and sail her far.  However, later due to a serious illness the boat has been kept on a mooring without much use....It was offered for sale in 2016 and I came to the UK just to see this boat in June 2017. I bought her  one month later through Boatshed ( the worse possible service I could ever imagine but that is a different story).....

When I bought her she was on the hard here in Bideford. I decided against 'splashing' her right away (contrary to old armchair sailors recommendation ) and rather decided to build a shed over her and give her total make over. I am not sure if  restoration is a proper word for what I am about to undertake but the true is that I will try to do as much as to make her a comfortable ocean going cruiser, live aboard. I am presently living on board and she truly is very spacious inside.

Not much happened inside of the boat in the past 38 years. She looks close to the original design only the saloon is painted white and top side lost the original varnish and it is painted white too.. Structurally she is sound but few leaks I know off and more as I open her up, I guess, need to be addressed. I will keep you posted as I go along, for now just the overall introduction.

 

   
 

 

I am a lazy sailor and also getting into the age when you don't want to dance too much on the deck...I teamed up with Alan Boswell and she will be rigged with a junk sail. The lower forward deck needs to be replaced as majority of leaks are there...everything needs to be re-bedded including all port holes.. you got the idea. She still has the original 18hp Sabb engine which I need to take  out and service/re-build.... The engine  doesn't have any instruments so I need to add them and also I would like to add a pump with a heat-exchanger so I don't need to de-scale it all the time.....anyway.

The biggest problem I am facing for now is a lack of interaction with members of the  Owners Group and the support I need to finish the project. Bideford is really not the best place to fix a wooden boat. But it is what it is.

I would like  to change a  kerosene stove to a gas one so if you know anybody who would be interested in a complete Taylor paraffin stove - its available with lots of other stuff too ( all sails for a cutter rig, roller furling jib.......etc ).

On the other hand, I need help with the raw water pump/heat exchanger set up. If you know anybody who did that or knows somebody who knows somebody please let me know.

Truly,

Norm

P.S.

I am adding few pictures more will be added later. The picture with the partially lowered mast looks a bit off but I was doing all the lowering by myself as a one man operation. I took few hours but it was success.

  Anything more you are interested in, just ask.

 

   
 

Hi John,

thanks for your message and you are not telling me anything new. I have learnt  long time ago that if you want to get things done you have two options, either you have deep pockets and you hire people to do it for you or you hit the books and forums, make lots of mistake but if you strong enough you can eventually succeed....

I am not a man of many means and even the strength is not as it used to be but I will get it done somehow and I will enjoy her on the Big Blue.  I, also, feel your pain because for all your hard work and hours spending on maintaining your site there is not a real gratitude from people.....well, you know what I mean.

 I know only about one more Kylix 29 build one year after Jemima (launched in 1981) and she is also for sale (somewhere on your side of the country) so there is not even much of chance for sister ships to meet....

 

   
 

   

This is my plan. I will work on her and take pictures as I go along. I will send you updates directed more for you and you database as you are one of few who truly cares about MG work and his legacy. If you later post it or not will be for you to decide.

You have  practical knowledge of maintaining and improving your own boat so I will ask you questions here and there and your answers will be truly  appreciated.

Speaking of a question, please, if you would be so kind, could you take pictures of few passages (if any) form 'Sixty Years a Yacht Designer", or any other book you have in your library, describing Kylix 29/27 sailing characteristics or any performance notes?  (Norman I have a couple of copies of this book, I am willing to part with for £8.00 plus post if interested... John)

I am no expert by any mean but I believe that MG was ahead of his time as a designer and just looking at the Kylix rudder.....man,.. tell me how many designs have balanced transom hang rudder, but not just that it is balanced in a percentage (18%) which designers much later finally settled on as the best ratio.....anyway, sorry for the rambling.

  Truly,

Norm 

 

   
 

April 2018, Norman has come back with more pictures.  The cover is nearly up!
   
 

Covered up, just before the next rain storms!
   
 

This is what he found under the break in the sheer. So many find similar problems. All has to be cut back to good and replaced...
 

Taking fastenings out has proven difficult, all rubbing bands etc need inspection, removal and repair... 

Good luck Norman.



 

'Pandora'.  Seen here in Denmark.  She is up for sale August 2016 and on our For Sale page.  SOLD September 2016!!  Pandora is a Kylix 27 built by Bure Marine, Great Yarmouth in 1977. After a few years in Sweden she became Danish owned.

Owner Peter Clemmesen

     

Seen here in all her glory under sail!
 

Cabin and woodwork on foredeck has been stripped and repainted in 2015 with alkyd paint. The boat is generally sound without structural defects, but the bright work needs treatment and the interior needs a loving hand. The Sabb engine is a reconditioned unit installed in 2010. The sails are by Jeckells, main and jib from 95. Mast and boom and rigging are in good order. Both standing and running rigging has been renewed over the years.
 

Pandora is more or less original with no major alterations. She has been ashore in Copenhagen under cover for 3½ years, is now re-launched, afloat in Sundkrogen, Copenhagen.

2016 sold to Jan who is in touch with us!

 

    September 2016 we are very pleased to announce that Peter Clemmenson has kindly donated a copy of his drawings for his Kylix 'Pandora'. We are able to send copies out on DVD for £5.00, including post for the UK and £6.50 overseas.